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Hey guys, Cloud’s mother is visiting, so she’s MIA for awhile, so I’ll be posting this for her.

It appears it’s time to make this journal. Why didn’t you do that first, you ask? Because it’s none of the community’s business why anyone is banned. Would you like it if, right after receiving a ban notice, a journal popped up in a group with 500+ people and told EVERYONE the reasons for it? No? Then why on earth would I do that to someone? Nobody deserves that. Unfortunately, while no one has come to me personally, noted the group, or noted Brindletail, there has been quite enough public drama on the subject that I feel this is now needed.

To start things off, here is a screenshot of the note that was sent to the JC-Nordanner account.
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So these rumors that she was banned because “we didn’t like her” can stop now.

But Cloud, y u no evidence?!
Do you guys have any idea what it’s like to be the person reporting someone “popular” in the community? Or anyone in general, really. You do? Okay great! Now, see all this drama swirling around? How great would it be if it was aimed at YOU, because you had the audacity to report someone. Fabulous, right? Sound like a great time? Maybe not? I have personally experienced this and would not wish it on anyone. So I will continue to stand by my decision to not provide screenshots of notes, breeding slots, etc. Because while the general community at large might not recognize whoever is behind the blacked out name, the person blacklisted will. And I’m not going to direct any hostility in these people’s directions. They do not deserve it. They have done nothing wrong. All they did was get the short end of the proverbial stick and they’re going to remain anonymous. Sorry to everyone who wanted to go harass these people.

Then why hide comments from AgerskovArt?
Another misconception floating around is that we only own the group temporarily, or that AgerskovArt gave us the group, and now we’re treating her gift badly, and that maybe, if enough of you complain to her about it, she’ll make us leave/take the group back, or make us change our mind. However, this is not the case. The transfer of Nordanner was a business transaction, we paid for the group and all rights to it. AgerskovArt’s opinion has the same weight as everyone elses, but due to this blowing out of control, we have hidden her comments so not to confuse people into thinking that she is still involved with this group and its administration.

All horses not reclaimed or refunded from this ban will be deceased, including Ulmende, and those reclaimed will be recycled and redesigned. As Nordanners. This does not mean we have forbidden JC-Nordanner/Albinohound to use her designs and horses as a separate breed. That was never the case.

So, in conclusion, if you have a problem with how we handle the group, are too upset over this ban, make sure you have your facts straight. Once you’ve done that, and you STILL have a problem with us or this group, we understand, but we will not be changing our mind about this situation, and any comments fishing for drama will be hidden.  If this upsets you, no one is forcing you to remain in this community. If you’d like to move on with your life and your Nordanners, and be happy, that’s a great option too.
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DeLaMuerte-Stables Apr 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My, my, so much drama people are spreading. Why exactly do they do that anyway? I just don't get it. =__=
Maybe it would help to say that anyone who's posting "hate journals" or such thingies, might end up on the black list too, or be blocked from breeding for some time(?). That might actually help.
Thank you for taking the time and posting this, BrindleTail. :meow:
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HockeyFilly58 Apr 29, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I salute you for taking time to explain things. :salute: I know running a huge group isn't easy and I appreciate everyone who keeps things in order :huggle:
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MiusEmpire Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks! for clarifying :)
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SarahScala Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good times, didn't know you bought the group that's mental and cool, this journal is helpful to quell any misconception I admit I was curious about it all but I hate getting into other people's business.
I think the change for the group will be welcome :)
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StarlitStables Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think all this drama is too much. Nordanner was meant for having fun and pure joy of having cute little ponies. All this "banning" and money is just ruining the community.
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Alerium Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Seeing that I've heard both sides of the story, I don't think I'll choose sides, because either one of you(admins/AC) could be lying, no offense meant to anyone but it's true. But what's done is done, so lets all just move on, shall we? This is all starting to get way blown out of proportion.. ^^;
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OpalSkye Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Personally, this journal has helped - my concern was absolute fear that if I had had issues with any new admin/founder in the past that there would be some backlash. I'm just being honest. The 'issue' I had was minor and unnecessary and absolutely nothing to do with Nordanners - a minor misunderstanding.

There has been a lot of ney-saying and scaremongering (rumours and such) with very little information from the Nordanner group. This journal goes a long way to help understand that it might not be a direct abuse of role but still seems a little weird to go back through old stuff - I can understand why you've done that - you want to make sure that people can have faith in the group and the new moderators; that concerns and complaints are handled instead of ignored. But it is somewhat of a shock to see a person go from minor issues to all out black listed.

The sequence of events seemed extremely odd: here's a journal with a 10-strikes-ban system, next journal (give or take) here's a very active member of the community being banned. No, it's not everybody's business to know why you do the things you do but it is very worrying when you begin to have faith in Nordanners having transparent structures and policies that ensure fairness and equality for all, then BAM banned!

Not my business at all, so feel free to ignore but I don't think it's fair for Joesse to be dragged into the situation if her name ("Joesse") was not explicitly mentioned, a joint account is very confusing and quite possibly, if anything, perhaps 1 or 2 strikes should be added against her rather than her being stripped of everything because it's not 100% clear how involved she is.

Still have concerns and fears about this massive change but I hope they will be reassured in time.

At the end of the day, you didn't have to post this journal but it suggests to me that you're trying to look after the masses. As I've said to Dane herself before; you can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

I'll be keeping my Nordanners as Nordanners and hoping for the best but I'm certainly going to be weary of future updates; change isn't always a good thing.

Disclaimer: This is just my opinion, I mean no offence or harm, I love Nordanners and have wanted to be part of the better side of the community for a while now. I've made some lovely friends through it and I don't want to see the group/breed die - which I believe is what the new moderators/admins also want.
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Cloudrunner64 Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think I know what you're talking about--if memory serves, anyway ^^ But no, nobody has any reason to worry. In a group of 600+ people, you'd think there'd be more than one that I don't personally care for, right? :giggle: We are a checks and balances system--even if we wanted to be dishonest about something, the other would beat some sense into the first. And vice versa. No really important big community-affecting decisions like this are made alone.

Don't worry about Joesse, though! As I said, I sent her a note to privately talk to her and she'll be sticking around the group and maintain ownership of her horses. It wouldn't at all be fair to ban her when she didn't do wrong, after all.

Thank you for your opinion :hug: We appreciate all of them, even the ones that might differ from ours. ;)
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OpalSkye Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I'd hope so, doesn't always mean that's the case but for now I'll trust what's being said publicly by the group. I've no reason not to believe and I've no reason not to respect; I do both naturally unless given reason otherwise.

That's good to hear, was beginning to sound a little collateral damage but I'm glad Joesse is being given the chance. That means a lot.

Heh, you of all people should know that I'll share, if I feel I have something worth sharing :) Appreciate you taking the time to read my comment.
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Breezy-Park-Stables Apr 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Why can't you do an adoption for the horses instead of killing them ... It's a waste of beautiful horses :/
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