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Breeding Rules 2015

Journal Entry: Wed May 30, 2012, 5:29 AM


Basic Information:
    All Nordanners have 10 breedings only
  • The only way to access more breedings, is through earning them through the Kaaring System.

  • Nordanners may only breed once they are officially registered and age appropriate.
    • To learn how to register your horse, click here.
      The minimum breeding age is 5 years.

    Selling breeding slots in any way/shape/form before they are accessible is forbidden and can result in consequences.
    This includes:

    • — Selling Excellent Blood (200 kaaring) slots before the horse has been confirmed the status.
      — Selling slots to foal genos, foal designs, or unborn foals.
      — Selling slots to horses not registered, or not transferred.

    The Nordanner group does not enforce private breeding rules.
  • Only in such circumstances as broken group rules, payment not made, or special cases, will the group become involved.
    You may also file a complaint
    .


How To Breed Your Nordanner:
1.  Pick a stallion and a mare, that are not related in any way, and make sure you have permission to use both if you do not own them. Whether you own them or not, your name must be listed on both horses’ breeding lists, granting you permission to create a foal. Once a foal is created, the slot CANNOT be reused unless otherwise notified from the group.

2. Any payment MUST be fully completed before you design the foal.

3. Once breeding payment is finished, the new OWNER of the foal sends a note to Nordanner group.  Note must be titled “Breeding".  Please nothing else.
In the note you must link to both stallion and dam.
As soon as an admin can answer, you will recieve an reply with both a color and an ID number for your foal.
Note: If the foal is a gift or the owner himself is unable to note us for some reason, owner of either mare or stallion can note us instead, as long as they list the name of the final owner in the note. But please be sure only one person notes us.

4. Once you know your foal's color, you have 30 days to design it.
All foal designs must be accepted to the group before it can be registered.
You may use this template:
Official Nordanner Foal Lineart by Cloudrunner64

5. Upload finished design to deviant.
Use your foal ID in the title for the design.
Also add info such as ID, color info as given to you by group, liniage etc in the image description.
Then submit the design to Nordanner gallery in the "foal design" folder.
When able, an admin will look at the design and either accept it or tell you which changes are needed for the foal to be accepted.

6. Once design is accepted, you have 30 days to register your foal.  

7. If you fail to register your foal within 40 days (10 day grace period) and have not noted the group with your outstanding circumstances, risk reclaiming from the parent owners of the foal. If you cannot physically draw the horse within the time period, asking someone to help you is always accepted.


Selling For Art:
It appears selling for art and or kaaring has gotten way out of control lately, and it’s time to put an end to it.

— Non mutation horses can only ask for maximum  3 images (kaaring varies, but we know when it’s being abused)

— Mutations, dom or recessive, can only ask for maximum 5 images

— Starter mutations may only ask for maximum 10 images.
*Note: OFFERING to do more kaaring or art is different. If you have the time, go for it, but owners are not allowed to demand such high prices.

While it is physically possible for people to fit 50 kaaring into 10 images, that is ridiculous and we don’t want to see anything above 20-30 kaaring for one breeding slot.

Inbreeding & Linebreeding:
— 100% forbidden. A horse can NOT exist twice in your foal's pedigree. No matter how far back, meaning you can not breed two cousins, siblings or any other type of relatives, no matter how far out the inbreeding happens. This is to limit the already booming population of Nordanners. Out of almost 5000, it is not that hard to find horses unrelated. Unrelated mutations? Yes that is indeed difficult. But it is on purpose. Mutations were meant to be rare.

— If you decide to do so, and it is discovered, the foal is put to rest and the sire and dam do not get the breeding slots back. It is up to all of the breeders involved to make sure this does not happen.

Crossbreeding:
— Again, 100% forbidden. It has too many variables to go wrong, that only purebred Nordanners ay be created.

— If you decide to do so, and it is discovered, the foal is put to rest and the sire and dam do not get the breeding slots back. It is up to all of the breeders involved to make sure this does not happen.

Genetics:
Nordanner genetics are based on real horse genetics, but may not be perfect.
Mutation genes are all made up by Luise Eriksen, former founder.
Any new mutation info/genetics/designs etc from April 2013 forward are the sole creations of Cloudrunner64 and BrindleTail.

For general info and help on basic genetics, see this journal.
To see how Nordanner mutation genes work, visit this journal.


Issues and Problems:
If you get issues with a breeder after leasing his or her horse for a breeding, please send a note to group titled "Issues with breeding agreement".
Sadly a few breeders sometimes decide to change the original payment deal or entirely cancel a foal without a reason. This includes but is not limited to:
— Horse is sold after the agreement, new owner requires different rules. This is not allowed.
— Horse breeding trade, they bred your horse, but removed your name before you could breed their horse.
— Created foal without completing payment.
In these cases please contact group admins for help, giving us the info you got on the original deal.
If deals are made outside deviantart we often can not help. Same if you created a foal before you actually made a payment plan, in which case the foal is not fully valid and the breeding might be cancelled. So please be sure to use NOTES instead of comments that can be hidden, Skype, msn and other outside forums.
In most cases with breeding issues we see people who simply forgot to get in writing, who was supposed to do what and when!

When you design a foal...:
... you also accept that the foal will exist as a Nordanner. Which means that even if you get tired of the horse, the design still exist as a Nordanner horse, and if abandoned the group may take ownership of such horse even if it carries your design. So if you want to be sure the horse is no longer in use, you have to register it as deceased by noting the group. If you like a design too much to worry about it being taken from you, save it for a different breed. If you are banned from the group, it is not necessary, nor legally binding for the group to refund you for designs that you have bought or created. We would think this should make you extra careful when it comes to obeying the rules. Consider this a warning.

Lineage:
(lin-EE-ashg)
To avoid inbreeding and stolen/false foals, PLEASE use the following liniage description:

Bloodlines:
------------------------------------------ SSS: unknown
----------------- SS: unknown
------------------------------------------ SSD: unknown
Sire: unknown
------------------------------------------ SDS: unknown
----------------- SD: unknown
------------------------------------------ SDD: unknown
------------------------------------------ DSS: unknown
----------------- DS: unknown
------------------------------------------ DSD: unknown
Dam: unknown
------------------------------------------ DDS: unknown
----------------- DD: unknown
------------------------------------------ DDD: unknown

OR

Sire:
SS:
SD:
SSS:
SSD:
SDS:
SDD:

Dam:
DS:
DD:
DSS:
DSD:
DDS:
DDD:


Just copy it and paste it into your artist comment.
Once you've done that, you can add names and links to each horse in the pedigree.
Remember to also add ID numbers to dam, sire etc!
To create a link, simply write:
<!a href="[link]">name of horse</!a> (remove the !)

If you are confused by our lineage system, please see this journal for help.

Add a Comment:
 
:iconpoltergeistnaga:
PoltergeistNaga Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, I have a Horse that I bought from Nightmare-Curse

The Horse has two breeding in place already, what should I do?

This is the horse: fav.me/d90psjb
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:iconzandromina:
Zandromina Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
All slots must stay as they are when you buy a horse unless the slotholder themselves tell you that they no longer need/want it
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:iconpoltergeistnaga:
PoltergeistNaga Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, I added a few for my personal use and a few more for other people
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Nightmare-Curse Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
is there any way we can force a breeding? if we've finished all payments but the person has ignored you and doesn't change the status o fyour name on the slot?
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:iconlord-starryface:
Lord-StarryFace Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I'm sure this has been asked hundred of times but I thought it would be addressed in this blog which it isn't (perhaps something to be added for nerds like me) :XD:

If I have a few breedings to do, may I send them in one breeding note (I would hate to do this and irritate the admins who roll like a million genos a day without me bombarding them) or should I send multiple notes at once (I can imagine that this is just as irritating though). Or should I be super patient and send, for example, one breeding a week?

Many thanks <3
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:iconthatdenver:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Currently we are limiting number of notes to one per person. This means you can only send a new note once your other one has been replied to. However, one note may contain up to 3 separate breedings. :)
Generally speaking, I prefer notes that have 1-3 breedings in them - massive notes are hard to read with so many links, and very cumbersome to edit :) Even without this current limitation, if you are going to send two breedings at once, put them in the same note - creates less inbox clutter for me. :)
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:iconlord-starryface:
Lord-StarryFace Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Thanks for getting back to me so fast *scuttles off to draw breeding images* (:
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:iconthatdenver:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No problem. :)
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:iconenkue:
Enkue Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Student Digital Artist
So, I only send the note when I finish the payment? (I just wanna make sure)
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:iconzandromina:
Zandromina Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Correct, when your slot is absolutely marked useable and all the payments have been complete :)
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:iconenkue:
Enkue Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Okay. :) Thanks!
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TotecTripled Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Are bloodlines like this: (Extended part)
SSSS: Watcher On The Wall 1630 DECEASED
SSSD: Karmell Kuchen * 1788
SSDS: Donurlux #21
SSDD: Rhodeia * #35
DSSS: 500 Elegant Charissma 
DDSD: AS Cronus #489 
DDDS: Nemesis 287 SOLD
DDDD: SGS Aislinn 501
SSSSS: Volos ***** 330 DECEASED
SSSSD: KEC's Darkest Before Dawn 335 DECEASED
SSSDD: Clueless Moment 1328
SSSDS: GAS Silverlight 193
SSSDDS: Felagi 472 DECEASED
SSSDDD: Mona-Lisa 137 GROUP-OWNED
SSSSDS: KEC-Hey Arenold 424
SSSSDD: cloudrunner64.deviantart.com/a…
SSSSSS: Silver Phantom ****** 138
SSSSSD: Ounce Upon A Time * 74
Counts as 'related parts' when you try to breed a pair? Or just the --- part that is important?
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:iconastralseed:
Astralseed Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015  Professional General Artist
Yes, the full lineage counts towards the inbreeding rule.  
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:iconzandromina:
Zandromina Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
As long as it's listed out how exactly they are related, that format is fine
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:icongoldenstables:
GoldenStables Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
I'm guessing these rules, titled 2013, are applicable for 2015?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015
Yes, it just means that the last revision was done in 2013 :) They were in use throughout last year, too :giggle:
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:icongoldenstables:
GoldenStables Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
So does the group still enforce the maximum of 3-5 images for an art payment? I've asked for more before I saw this rule and changed the current payments going to me to suit it - is it still there for this year?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015
The thing is, people are free to offer as much they like as payment, so while people shouldn't list slots to be sold for 100 kaaring or something, it doesn't mean a potential buyer can't offer them 100 kaaring for a slot. In example, 30 kaaring can be done in 10 full body drawings or 5 full bodies with backgrounds, so it's a bit hard to really superwise who's doing how much for what.
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:icongoldenstables:
GoldenStables Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
So we shouldn't ask for more than 3-5 images for a foal/slot/horse, but we can accept more?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015
Basically, yeah. 3-5 images or the suggested kaaring amount (20-30 kaaring per slot), but I'd say it's more of a strong guideline that we would like to members to follow, but we can't really supervise one way or the other. :)
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:icongoldenstables:
GoldenStables Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
Thanks! I wasn't sure, but I followed them anyway ;)
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:iconredvalleystables:
RedValleyStables Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014

Does it still require a breeding picture regardless of if both horses are yours?
Like, as long as the names of each horse is on each other's breeding slot list and they're above 5 years etc. ?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014
You're not required to do anything unless specified so by the owner(s) of the horses (if you have agreed that you'll do a breedpic, then you must), so on your own horses it's enough you've put your name down and they are of age + registered. :)
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:iconredvalleystables:
RedValleyStables Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014

Ohh okay! That's so awesome xux;
I figured my two might make a cute baby, so it'd be cool to breed them!
Even if one isn't of age yet, could I note down the name of the stallion to breed them when the horse is of age?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014
When you send the note, both must be 5 or older. If you want to breed them now, you can always age him and then lower his age back after you get the genos. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until he's aged to send a note - you can of course mark the slot down already if you like, if that's what you mean :)
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:iconredvalleystables:
RedValleyStables Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014

Yeah, that makes sense, and it is what I meant! :>
I'll mark the slots, but leave it for now until I get more room! ;u;
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:iconraebeatz:
RaeBeatz Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is possible to have twin Nordanners, as do the genos specifically have to be said twins? If so, must they look the same?
Thanks! c:
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:iconthatdenver:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It is possible to get twins - if this happens, your reply to a breeding note will include two ID numbers, and one genotype for each foal. The foals will not look identical (unless the parents have a very limited number of options), as they both get their own, fully RNG determined genotypes. 
Twins themselves are also random, and very rare. I think the total amount of twins is currently less than 20 pairs, out of 10,000+ horses.

This, however, only concerns "true" twins, that is, two foals born out of only one slot of the parents (So you get two foals with one slot). You are also allowed to breed so called "story twins", which means that you do two regular breedings between the same pair, and use the resulting foals as twins in your stable stories etc. The main difference is that in the case of story twins, each foal uses up a slot.

I hope this cleared things up for you.
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:iconraebeatz:
RaeBeatz Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It does clear it up, thank you very much! <3
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:iconthatdenver:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Great. :) No problem
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:iconcrystal-equine:
Crystal-Equine Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm interested in getting into the Nordanner Owner Crew.  I've never owned one, but would like to change that asap.  What steps would I have to take to make this happen?
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ThatDenver Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You should note the group with a link to the horse, so the group can verify if it's inbred, and if it is, declare it as deceased. While the death of the inbred horse is unfortunate for the breeder, it is moreso should the horse ever be bred or sold, in which case the buyer of the horse or it's foals would effectively be cheated, if as you say, the owner knows and hides the fact.
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Shatterglass-16 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014
Just wondering the average wait time on responses to breeding notes? I have never done this before. First Nordy so just wondering if i even did the breeding note right or if its just a long wait normally?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014
There's a separated breeding notes journal; nordanner.deviantart.com/journ…, and as it says there it's semi-daily. The wait can be anything from one day to few days, depending how busy Denver is and when she has a chance to roll. Nowadays I do prechecks on breeding notes, so I will leave you a reply if there's something wrong (and how to fix it) before sending the breeding again. If you don't get a reply from me, you will receive genos from Denver. :)
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WinterVodka-Stables Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Hobbyist
Quick question, just wanted to make sure. If you sell a horse and you have dam/sire slots to that horse's foals, do those go to the new owner or no? 
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014
No breeding slots may be removed without the sellers permission, so if the previous owner has given slots to sire and dam owner, you need to keep them too unless they have told you specifically that you can take off "Sire/Dam Owner" slot off. Also usually slots that were marked for the previous owner belong to the new owner, but this is also something that must always be agreed upon at the time of sale. Most sellers will say "you can have my slots" or something similar, but if they don't, you'll have to specifically ask about them.
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:iconwintervodka-stables:
WinterVodka-Stables Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014  Hobbyist
Alright, thank you very much for your reply. It was very helpful :) 
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:iconvangellj:
VAngelLJ Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was about to send in for a breeding and noticed that the dam had been sold, and is listed as 'transferred' on the ID blog - do I now need to wait for the new owner to re-register the horse before I can do the breeding, or am I still good to go?
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:iconkalmanen:
kalmanen Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014
If the old ref is still in group, you can use that for the breeding, as long as your slot is listed as usable and the horse is 5 or older :)
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:iconvangellj:
VAngelLJ Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, thanks. I'll send for the breeding, then ^^
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:iconbrindle-rita:
brindle-rita Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hi! I have a question; my Nord baby never uded his breeding slots and I want to make from him a gelding, I need to write it in the gender information or I need to ask group etc?
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:iconzandromina:
Zandromina Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No need to ask the group :) You may geld your horses as you please, as long as any slots (in this case none) that other people own remain useable
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brindle-rita Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
great, thank so much! :la:
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SpartanAmethyst Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014
Quick question; is there a way to request back a specific geno?
I had an inbreeding accident a few months back, and have the chance to breed again to an unrelated mare that has the potential to give the same exact geno as the foal I lost. Is there any way that I might be able to pay extra or do something to increase my chances of earning said geno back, or at least one very close to it?
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:iconthatdenver:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No, there is no way to request any genotype, regardless of situation.
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:iconninuturu:
Ninuturu Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I have a question, i sent a breeding note but it was named 'Breexing' instead of 'breeding' is this a problem? Should i sent a new note?
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:iconzandromina:
Zandromina Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
It's not a problem :)
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