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Breeding Rules 2013

Journal Entry: Wed May 30, 2012, 5:29 AM

Basic Information:
    All Nordanners have 10 breedings only
  • The only way to access more breedings, is through earning them through the Kaaring System.

  • Nordanners may only breed once they are officially registered and age appropriate.
    • To learn how to register your horse, click here.
      The minimum breeding age is 5 years.

    Selling breeding slots in any way/shape/form before they are accessible is forbidden and can result in consequences.
    This includes:

    • — Selling Excellent Blood (200 kaaring) slots before the horse has been confirmed the status.
      — Selling slots to foal genos, foal designs, or unborn foals.
      — Selling slots to horses not registered, or not transferred.

    The Nordanner group does not enforce private breeding rules.
  • Only in such circumstances as broken group rules, payment not made, or special cases, will the group become involved.
    You may also file a complaint

How To Breed Your Nordanner:
1.  Pick a stallion and a mare, that are not related in any way, and make sure you have permission to use both if you do not own them. Whether you own them or not, your name must be listed on both horses’ breeding lists, granting you permission to create a foal. Once a foal is created, the slot CANNOT be reused unless otherwise notified from the group.

2. Any payment MUST be fully completed before you design the foal.

3. Once breeding payment is finished, the new OWNER of the foal sends a note to Nordanner group.  Note must be titled “Breeding".  Please nothing else.
In the note you must link to both stallion and dam.
As soon as an admin can answer, you will recieve an reply with both a color and an ID number for your foal.
Note: If the foal is a gift or the owner himself is unable to note us for some reason, owner of either mare or stallion can note us instead, as long as they list the name of the final owner in the note. But please be sure only one person notes us.

4. Once you know your foal's color, you have 30 days to design it.
All foal designs must be accepted to the group before it can be registered.
You may use this template:
Official Nordanner Foal Lineart by Cloudrunner64

5. Upload finished design to deviant.
Use your foal ID in the title for the design.
Also add info such as ID, color info as given to you by group, liniage etc in the image description.
Then submit the design to Nordanner gallery in the "foal design" folder.
When able, an admin will look at the design and either accept it or tell you which changes are needed for the foal to be accepted.

6. Once design is accepted, you have 30 days to register your foal.  

7. If you fail to register your foal within 40 days (10 day grace period) and have not noted the group with your outstanding circumstances, risk reclaiming from the parent owners of the foal. If you cannot physically draw the horse within the time period, asking someone to help you is always accepted.

Selling For Art:
It appears selling for art and or kaaring has gotten way out of control lately, and it’s time to put an end to it.

— Non mutation horses can only ask for maximum  3 images (kaaring varies, but we know when it’s being abused)

— Mutations, dom or recessive, can only ask for maximum 5 images

— Starter mutations may only ask for maximum 10 images.
*Note: OFFERING to do more kaaring or art is different. If you have the time, go for it, but owners are not allowed to demand such high prices.

While it is physically possible for people to fit 50 kaaring into 10 images, that is ridiculous and we don’t want to see anything above 20-30 kaaring for one breeding slot.

Inbreeding & Linebreeding:
— 100% forbidden. A horse can NOT exist twice in your foal's pedigree. No matter how far back, meaning you can not breed two cousins, siblings or any other type of relatives, no matter how far out the inbreeding happens. This is to limit the already booming population of Nordanners. Out of almost 5000, it is not that hard to find horses unrelated. Unrelated mutations? Yes that is indeed difficult. But it is on purpose. Mutations were meant to be rare.

— If you decide to do so, and it is discovered, the foal is put to rest and the sire and dam do not get the breeding slots back. It is up to all of the breeders involved to make sure this does not happen.

— Again, 100% forbidden. It has too many variables to go wrong, that only purebred Nordanners ay be created.

— If you decide to do so, and it is discovered, the foal is put to rest and the sire and dam do not get the breeding slots back. It is up to all of the breeders involved to make sure this does not happen.

Nordanner genetics are based on real horse genetics, but may not be perfect.
Mutation genes are all made up by Luise Eriksen, former founder.
Any new mutation info/genetics/designs etc from April 2013 forward are the sole creations of Cloudrunner64 and BrindleTail.

For general info and help on basic genetics, see this journal.
To see how Nordanner mutation genes work, visit this journal.

Issues and Problems:
If you get issues with a breeder after leasing his or her horse for a breeding, please send a note to group titled "Issues with breeding agreement".
Sadly a few breeders sometimes decide to change the original payment deal or entirely cancel a foal without a reason. This includes but is not limited to:
— Horse is sold after the agreement, new owner requires different rules. This is not allowed.
— Horse breeding trade, they bred your horse, but removed your name before you could breed their horse.
— Created foal without completing payment.
In these cases please contact group admins for help, giving us the info you got on the original deal.
If deals are made outside deviantart we often can not help. Same if you created a foal before you actually made a payment plan, in which case the foal is not fully valid and the breeding might be cancelled. So please be sure to use NOTES instead of comments that can be hidden, Skype, msn and other outside forums.
In most cases with breeding issues we see people who simply forgot to get in writing, who was supposed to do what and when!

When you design a foal...:
... you also accept that the foal will exist as a Nordanner. Which means that even if you get tired of the horse, the design still exist as a Nordanner horse, and if abandoned the group may take ownership of such horse even if it carries your design. So if you want to be sure the horse is no longer in use, you have to register it as deceased by noting the group. If you like a design too much to worry about it being taken from you, save it for a different breed. If you are banned from the group, it is not necessary, nor legally binding for the group to refund you for designs that you have bought or created. We would think this should make you extra careful when it comes to obeying the rules. Consider this a warning.

To avoid inbreeding and stolen/false foals, PLEASE use the following liniage description:

------------------------------------------ SSS: unknown
----------------- SS: unknown
------------------------------------------ SSD: unknown
Sire: unknown
------------------------------------------ SDS: unknown
----------------- SD: unknown
------------------------------------------ SDD: unknown
------------------------------------------ DSS: unknown
----------------- DS: unknown
------------------------------------------ DSD: unknown
Dam: unknown
------------------------------------------ DDS: unknown
----------------- DD: unknown
------------------------------------------ DDD: unknown




Just copy it and paste it into your artist comment.
Once you've done that, you can add names and links to each horse in the pedigree.
Remember to also add ID numbers to dam, sire etc!
To create a link, simply write:
<!a href="[link]">name of horse</!a> (remove the !)

If you are confused by our lineage system, please see this journal for help.

Add a Comment:
RaeBeatz Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is possible to have twin Nordanners, as do the genos specifically have to be said twins? If so, must they look the same?
Thanks! c:
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It is possible to get twins - if this happens, your reply to a breeding note will include two ID numbers, and one genotype for each foal. The foals will not look identical (unless the parents have a very limited number of options), as they both get their own, fully RNG determined genotypes. 
Twins themselves are also random, and very rare. I think the total amount of twins is currently less than 20 pairs, out of 10,000+ horses.

This, however, only concerns "true" twins, that is, two foals born out of only one slot of the parents (So you get two foals with one slot). You are also allowed to breed so called "story twins", which means that you do two regular breedings between the same pair, and use the resulting foals as twins in your stable stories etc. The main difference is that in the case of story twins, each foal uses up a slot.

I hope this cleared things up for you.
RaeBeatz Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It does clear it up, thank you very much! <3
ThatDenver Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Great. :) No problem
Crystal-Equine Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm interested in getting into the Nordanner Owner Crew.  I've never owned one, but would like to change that asap.  What steps would I have to take to make this happen?
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ThatDenver Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You should note the group with a link to the horse, so the group can verify if it's inbred, and if it is, declare it as deceased. While the death of the inbred horse is unfortunate for the breeder, it is moreso should the horse ever be bred or sold, in which case the buyer of the horse or it's foals would effectively be cheated, if as you say, the owner knows and hides the fact.
Shatterglass-16 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014
Just wondering the average wait time on responses to breeding notes? I have never done this before. First Nordy so just wondering if i even did the breeding note right or if its just a long wait normally?
kalmanen Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2014
There's a separated breeding notes journal;…, and as it says there it's semi-daily. The wait can be anything from one day to few days, depending how busy Denver is and when she has a chance to roll. Nowadays I do prechecks on breeding notes, so I will leave you a reply if there's something wrong (and how to fix it) before sending the breeding again. If you don't get a reply from me, you will receive genos from Denver. :)
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